Max Song, founder of Carbonbase, breaks down carbon credits and how NFTs can help bring climate action in the latest episode of Gen.T’s Crazy Smart Asia podcast (Photo: Affa Chan)
Cover Max Song, founder of Carbonbase, breaks down carbon credits and how NFTs can help bring climate action in the latest episode of Gen.T’s Crazy Smart Asia podcast (Photo: Affa Chan)

From gaining his first gig couch-surfing post-Burning Man in California to living on the streets of Paris, Hong Kong-based entrepreneur Max Song shares why running a company is like surfing and how a Nasa internship inspired intergalactic goals

Like what AI is in 2023, “NFT” was the buzzword of 2021—until it wasn’t. The bubble burst, and the prices of these non-fungible tokens—unique digital assets—came crashing down.

For Hong Kong-based founder Max Song, this was a moment we entered the Trough of Disillusionment on the Gartner Hype Cycle. But while NFT developers may have failed at their experimentations and implementations of the tokens, Song says it doesn’t erase the great potential of the underlying blockchain technology.

Song, who started climate-tech company Carbonbase to build one of Asia’s leading carbon registries, believes that NFTs can incentivise positive climate action. His plan is to incentivise hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people to care about climate change through them. 

Read more: Asia’s first digital carbon registry: A partnership by Carbonbase, The Hbar Foundation and ImpactX

He explains how he’s making it work in the latest episode of our Crazy Smart Asia podcast, mixed with conversations about his experiences of purposely living homeless in Paris for a month and walking around Burning Man with a cardboard sign saying “Will code for food”, and why entrepreneurship is his path to spiritual enlightenment.

Here are a few excerpts from the conversation. Click the audio player below to listen to the full episode or subscribe via Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Above Song’s Carbonbase launched Asia’s first digital native carbon registry, the Global Climate Registry, in 2023 in partnership with The Hbar Foundation and venture capital firm ImpactX to offer SMEs a cost-effective, transparent and accessible solution to reduce their carbon footprint (Photo: Affa Chan)

On motivating people to care about climate change

“The climate change problem is an incentive problem. How do we get people to care? We need them to be incentivised. So how do we get 100 million people to care about climate change? We have to design economic incentives the right way.”

On doing climate work

“Climate change requires you to have a slightly longer view of humanity, where the work you do doesn’t immediately pay you economic dividends today, but you create positive social value.”

Read more: Why Sarah Chen-Spellings is investing a billion dollars in female founders

On coping with psychological stress

“Several times in our company's history, we’ve run out of money. And the first time I did that, I couldn’t breathe for the whole month. You sort of feel like there’s a giant psychological weight on your chest when you go home and [when I laid] in bed, I feel like there’s a giant anvil and I can't really relax. And the funniest thing is that as that happened several times, the psychological weight has remained the same, but you are able to deal with it more.”

On what he wishes he had known when he started

“I wish I had known five years ago that you can’t do a startup and just hope to be rich very quickly and sustain yourself. If that’s your only motivation, it ends up being much more difficult, much more cumbersome than you think it is. You have to find value in the day-to-day. You have to celebrate the small wins and also mourn the small failures every single day.”

Quotes are edited for clarity and brevity.


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